Capitalism is the worst political system out there.

[Marci-]

it leads to short term satisfaction and long term homelessness, un affordable medical care, and a lack of ingenuity for the goal of making money. it sucks

socialism is way better

 

[bobby_]

socialism is way better

Abolishing private business and private property leads to a political system that permits no individual freedom. Socialism is capable of providing everything you need. Socialism is capable of taking everything you own. Socialism leads to totalitarianism.

 

[Marci-]

Abolishing private businesses and private property leads to a political system that permits no individual freedom. Socialism is capable of providing everything you need. Socialism is capable of taking everything you own. Socialism leads to totalitarianism.

not in most cases for example Sweden and Denmark are still democratic ofter years of this system

 

[Trench-]

Not the political snake pfp

 

[Marci-]

Not the political snake pfp

Dont tread on me

 

[bobby_]

not in most cases for example Sweden and Denmark are still democratic ofter years of this system

Sweden was never a totalitarian nation. But their economy stagnated after years of socialism, which led to long-term homelessness and a lack of ingenuity.

 

[Marci-]

Sweden was never a totalitarian nation. But their economy failed after years of socialism, which led to long-term homelessness and a lack of ingenuity.

thats not true Sweden is still functioning as a nation and is one of the happiest in the world and has less homeless people per capita then America

 

[Trench-]

Sweden was never a totalitarian nation. But their economy failed after years of socialism, which led to long-term homelessness and a lack of ingenuity.

Overall, economic systems have their high and lows, but socialism is the best which provides a safety net in the long run of those under it.

 

[Trench-]

Abolishing private business and private property leads to a political system that permits no individual freedom. Socialism is capable of providing everything you need. Socialism is capable of taking everything you own. Socialism leads to totalitarianism.

Yes, we're given natural rights, but in the sense that when you consider and follow Enlightenment thinkers, doesn't it feel like the government doesn't regulate them under a capitalistic society?

 

[MarquizdeGuillotin]

Norway is not socialism, Norway is social democracy, more than anything, which is still capitalism; it does abolish private property or the state, and it does not seek to abolish capital than to regulate it and provide social welfare and benefits to its citizenry.
Socialism is not about "totalitarianism", and it does not preclude individual freedom, and it very much is based upon the liberation of workers and humanity as a whole. Stalin crushed the liberty of the proletariat with an iron fist, what sort of socialism is this? It deserves to be consigned to the dustbin history and it does not deserve to be called socialism. Replacing one ruling class with another, bureaucratic ruling class is not "socialism", and definitely not communism.

 

[Marci-]

Norway is not socialism, Norway is social democracy, more than anything, which is still capitalism; it does abolish private property or the state, and it does not seek to abolish capital than to regulate it and provide social welfare and benefits to its citizenry.
Socialism is not about "totalitarianism", and it does not preclude individual freedom, and it very much is based upon the liberation of workers and humanity as a whole. Stalin crushed the liberty of the proletariat with an iron fist, what sort of socialism is this? It deserves to be consigned to the dustbin history and it does not deserve to be called socialism. Replacing one ruling class with another, bureaucratic ruling class is not "socialism", and definitely not communism.

i didnt know that norway want socialist but you are 100% right

 

[bobby_]

Socialism is not about "totalitarianism", and it does not preclude individual freedom, and it very much is based upon the liberation of workers and humanity as a whole. Stalin crushed the liberty of the proletariat with an iron fist, what sort of socialism is this? It deserves to be consigned to the dustbin history and it does not deserve to be called socialism. Replacing one ruling class with another, bureaucratic ruling class is not "socialism", and definitely not communism.

I said socialism leads to totalitarianism. Their policies on private business and private property provide the government with too much public control. Socialism is collectivism. And collectivism leads to totalitarianism.

 

[bobby_]

thats not true Sweden is still functioning as a nation and is one of the happiest in the world and has less homeless people per capita then America

Sweden's economy stagnated during its twenty years of socialism. Sweden saw this and decided to elect a centre-right government in the 1990s. Now it's a thriving capitalist nation.

 

[bobby_]

socialism is the best which provides a safety net in the long run of those under it.

Try telling that to the millions of people killed by socialist governments. Is imprisonment what you consider a safety net?

 

[bobby_]

Yes, we're given natural rights, but in the sense that when you consider and follow Enlightenment thinkers, doesn't it feel like the government doesn't regulate them under a capitalistic society?

I don't understand your question. Can you please elaborate?

 

[Marci-]

Sweden's economy stagnated during its twenty years of socialism. Sweden saw this and decided to elect a centre-right government in the 1990s. Now it's a thriving capitalist nation.

no its not i still has many socilist policies and its economy never stagnated its more socialist then capitalist in eery regard

Try telling that to the millions of people killed by socialist governments. Is imprisonment what you consider a safety net?

what about the millions of deaths under capitalism??? like the genocide of the native americans, millions killed in unsafe factory conditions (and the reason they were unsafe was because it was cheap in a capitalist sociaty) iim not saying people havent died under socialism (even if it is MUCH lower) but dont act like capitalism is all bunnies and rainbows

 

[bobby_]

no its not i still has many socilist policies and its more socialist then capitalist in eery regard

Sweden is a mixed economy with both capitalism and socialism. Sweden follows the Nordic model, which defines it as a capitalist nation. Their pro-capitalism economy does offer healthcare, unemployment insurance, pension support, etc. The current percentage of national wealth owned by the Swedish government is 25.08%. Sweden is more capitalist than socialist.

its economy never stagnated

Sweden's economy crashed in the early 1990s as a result of socialist policies that destroyed its economic competitiveness and the incomes of its citizens.

 

[bobby_]

what about the millions of deaths under capitalism??? like the genocide of the native americans

Mercantilism led to Native American genocide and African slave trade.

what about the millions of deaths under capitalism??? like the millions killed in unsafe factory conditions (and the reason they were unsafe was because it was cheap in a capitalist sociaty)

Do you actually believe that the working conditions in factories in Bangladesh, China, Cuba, Eritrea, Guyana, India, Laos, Nepal, Nicaragua, North Korea, Portugal, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, and Vietnam are safer than those in major capitalist countries like the Australia, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, UK, USA, etc.?

dont act like capitalism is all bunnies and rainbows

I understand capitalism. Individualism results from capitalism. The benefits of capitalism include limitless productivity, private enterprise, private property, fair competition, economic expansion, etc. The imbalance between the rich and the poor, the absence of social benefits, monopolies, etc. are all downsides of capitalism.

iim not saying people havent died under socialism (even if it is MUCH lower)

With complete control over economies and resources, socialism poses a risk of public control and abuse, including the possibility of population imprisonment and murder. While capitalism provides individual freedom, socialism does not. The majority of deaths caused by capitalism were the result of people's own recklessness and laziness. Deaths caused by socialism were the result of the government's own sick agenda. Individual freedom should be granted to everyone. They should be able to make their own decisions considering it is their life.

 

[bobby_]

Even with all of its disadvantages, capitalism remains the best economic system. The only economic system that allows for individual freedom is capitalism. Every other system requires people to live on the resources of others. That and that alone should put an end to this disappointing debate. You can continue to argue if you oppose individual liberty. It's your opinion.

 

[Trench-]

Mercantilism led to Native American genocide and African slave trade.

Do you actually believe that the working conditions in factories in Bangladesh, China, Cuba, Eritrea, Guyana, India, Laos, Nepal, Nicaragua, North Korea, Portugal, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, and Vietnam are safer than those in major capitalist countries like the Australia, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, UK, USA, etc.?

I understand capitalism. Individualism results from capitalism. The benefits of capitalism include limitless productivity, private enterprise, private property, fair competition, economic expansion, etc. The imbalance between the rich and the poor, the absence of social benefits, monopolies, etc. are all downsides of capitalism.

With complete control over economies and resources, socialism poses a risk of public control and abuse, including the possibility of population imprisonment and murder. While capitalism provides individual freedom, socialism does not. The majority of deaths caused by capitalism were the result of people's own recklessness and laziness. Deaths caused by socialism were the result of the government's own sick agenda. Individual freedom should be granted to everyone. They should be able to make their own decisions considering it is their life.

As a NATIVE AMERICAN myself, Native American genocide was not a prime cause due to Mercantilism. Mercantilism DID lead to African slave trade as it was apart of Triangular Trade.